Friday, February 22, 2008
There appears to be one more child that died while John and Theres lived in Germany
Marriages and Children in birth order (year of death, burial)
John Nirschl (1937, St. Peter Cemetery, Willowdale) and Magdalena Unknown (Germany)
Theresia (Nirschl) Jacobs (1969, St. Marks Cemetery, St. Marks) -- our direct line
Helena (Nirschl) Hargot (1920, St. Rose, Mt. Vernon)
Second marriage 1898, Iggensbach, Germany; John Nirschl and Theres Unrecht (1955, Nichols Cemetery, Zenda)
John Joseph (1966, Prairie Lawn Cemetery, Wellington)
Joseph (1933, St. Boniface Cemetery, Sharon)
Max (1935, St. Peter Cemetery, Willowdale)
Christine (1921, St. Boniface Cemetery, Sharon)
Charles (1957, Walnut Cemetery, Crawford Co. KS)
Maria (15 months old, died on boat to US 1909)
Ludwig (1 month old, died on boat to US 1909)
Albert (1979, Nichols Cemetery, Zenda)
John (father), Max, Christine and Joseph are in unmarked graves. Thoughts of changing that are being looked into. Suggestions are welcomed!
Thursday, February 21, 2008
b. 9 Dec 1865 Iggensbach, Germany
d. 20 Aug 1937 Zenda, KS
b. 3 Nov 1903 Iggensbach, Germany
d. 23 July 1935 Zenda, KS
Accidental or Suicide
Burial dates with St. Peter Catholic Church, Willowdale, KS -- unmarked graves
I didn’t have the name Helena until we got the wedding photo for Theresia and Joseph. Didn’t know there was a Lena till I did census work. Didn’t know Helena and Lena were the same person until I received Alien Registrations papers.
Made a bunch of calls to Medicine Lodge yesterday. Their public library was so helpful. Over the phone she found out two of the Nirschl children were buried in St. Boniface Catholic Cemetery in Sharon, Kansas. Big question they are both in the same plot. One was at least 15 the other was at least 28. AND there is no maker AND no record of birth or death dates. That too will be solved…. Anyway… One of the children was a Christine.
So she is now removed for the guessing game. So back to Lena she was single in 1918 on the Alien Registration papers so maybe she married Dominick. Searched for Lena Hargot 1920 census, since I had no luck looking for Dominick. MATCH. Evan Township, Kingman, Kansas – otherwise known as Mt. Vernon. Mt Vernon has a cemetery and once again Find A Grave did the trick to confirm.
Of the five unknown, three have been found. The last two soon.....!
Wednesday, February 20, 2008
Talked to a wonderful lady at the Medicine Lodge Library that on the phone found cemetery information for Sharon Kansas to let me know Joe and Christine Nirschl are buried in St. Boniface Cemetery… in the same plot! We both went “Hugh??”
Once again a couple of answers but more questions!
Clarification today. Same block number, same lot number but that "lot" contains EIGHT graves. Four with another family. Four with the Nirschl name. One each for Christine and Joseph - two empty! Whew!
Saturday, February 16, 2008
LIST OR MANIFEST OF ALIEN PASSENGERS FOR THE UNITED STATES, Ship SS Koln, Sailing from Bremen, Germany on November 25, 1909 Port of Arrival Galveston, Texas Date of arrival December 20, 1909
Line 4 - 13 list Trace and her two step daughters Theresa (Jacobs) 17 and her sister Magdalena 14.
Then the children Trace and John had, John 9, Joseph 8, Max 4y 6 m, Christine 3 y 6m, Carl (Charles) 2, that we know about. Additional listings Maria age 1y 3m and Ludwig age 1 m, that died after getting on the boat November 25, 1909 and before May, 4 1910 census. Which makes the story of them dying on the boat true. How horribly sad for that family.
DOWN! – Received my return envelope from the State of Kansas with my original request and my check. Looks like the state does not have a name data base. You have to have the date of death or a 5 year span to request death certificates. So now I am stuck!
Need date of death or 5 year range for:
John Nirschl – father
Anyone have a clue???
Friday, February 15, 2008
If you were not a US citizen between 1917 and 1921 you had to carry papers, like today’s passports that gave your history.
Now we know more about John, but still don’t know where he is buried. Hopefully his death certificate will be here soon!
· John Nirschl
· Age 52 on February 8, 1918
· 155 lbs
· Hair black, eyes gray
· Address - Sharon, Kansas
· Had been soldier in the German Standing Army Infantry Enlisted , 1886, served 2 years
Wednesday, February 13, 2008
Then went to a cemetery that was a for sure. Had driving direction and grave location by cousin Albert’s son.
Nichols Cemetery -- 2 miles east of Zenda and one mile to the north.
Theres Nirschl was the second wife of John Nirschl. Step Mother to Theresia (Nirschl) Jacobs. Albert Nirschl is ½ brother to Theresia Jacobs. Albert’s wife is Mary. Mary’s mother is Bessie.
Monday, February 11, 2008
Next….The phone number I had for St. Johns Church in Zenda just rang and rang and rang.
Well I called Kingman! Had to find a church that had an office with the ability to find me a phone number.
St. Pats saved the day. The gal who answered the phone knew without having to think twice that Father John Miller was the part time Priest for Willowdale. It took her only a second to get me the number.
I dialed the number and Father John answered.
After explaining what I was looking for he started to look though some books. I just sent away for the applications for death certificates, so do not have any death dates to make the search easier. He had the Register of Burials from 1901 – 1985.
He said he had been the Priest there for 20 years and had never heard the name Nirschl! Rats!! I told him I would call back when I have dates. He thought that would be more helpful for him to search elsewhere, since some of the books were in Latin.
Within the next few weeks documents I have sent for should be coming back to me.
Now we sit and wait!!
Sunday, February 10, 2008
I had a wonderful surprise Saturday evening. Albert’s son called me with a few more tidbits he had found.
Earlier I had email him the photo of the group on the boat. He said yep, that is John (Johan) Nirschl. He has the same photo.
Also he is moving soon so while packing he found his father’s family bible! ****Are you ready for this?!?!
Written in the bible:
· Christine & Joe, buried -- Sharon, KS
· John (Father) & Max – Willowdale, KS
Also on the page was written ……………… “no graves have markers”
OH MY!!! Can’t believe it. We kinda, sorta, have found John (Johan) Nirschl. He didn’t go back to German to stay. He went for a visit, as some had said. This means we now know where Mom (Trace or Theresa) Dad (John or Johan) and 7 of the 8 children are buried. Thank you cousin, good job!!
I can now start with Theresia (Nirschl) Jacobs being the eldest of John Nirschl. She is burried in St. Marks Catholic Cemetery, St. Marks, Sedgwich County, Kansas with her husband Joseph Jacobs. We will get to Jacob Jacobs and that side of the family in a few weeks. One line at a time is all I can focus on!
Question - Where is Lena? She is the only one missing right now. I am very positive we will find her too!
Talking to my father in law today, #4 child of Joe and Theresia Jacobs, another grand child of John Nirschl, he said John had made a visit to Germany during the depression. I needed a quick history lesson, Goggle, Black Tuesday was October 29, 1929.
1930 Census for Medicine Lodge Township, Barber County, Kansas was taken April 23, 1930. Lines 88 - 92. It shows Trace living with son Joseph as head of household, Single. Trace as Mother-Head, Married. John is not listed. I bet he is in Germany!! What do you think?? If he was dead she would be listed at Widow. Death certificates will be orderd.
My conclusion -- photo of the people on the boat – spring 1930. John would be 65 years of age.
Here is an addition photo of that trip. Look at the cars in the lower right corner, made prior to 1930! John Nirschl is the man with the hat on the left.
We had been to Willowdale a few weeks ago. I did not see anyone around but the cemetery is well kept up very well with St. Peter Church adjacent. Phone call time again. Need to find the sexton or group that keeps up the cemetery.
In talking to cousin Mary also Saturday evening, we discusses how neat it would be if all the cousins chipped in and we bought headstones for our four family members that have been without all these years. More on that once we are 100% sure!
Mary and I a chasing down a few other facts and maybe a couple other photos.
Stay tuned for more!
May4 -9, 1910, Sherman Township, Sedgwick County, Kansas (city of Andale)
So much information on a sheet so hard to read. With blank form and enlarger online the highlights are from lines 21 - 28.
- John Nirschl 50 years old, second marriage, married this time 10 years, imigrated 1909 from Germany
- Trace Nirschl 41 years old, first marriage, married this time 1o years, gave birth to 8 children - 5 living, from Germany
- Lena - 15 years of age
- John - 10
- Joseph - 8
- Max - 6
- Christina - 5
- Carl - 3
Who is Lena? Who is HER mother?
Where is Theresia? She would be 17. Who is HER mother?
Theresia married in 1913.
Helena = Lena, could be. But what happed to her? Anyone remember hearing any stories of her?
Saturday, February 9, 2008
The previous posts happened in the last month, posted on my knitting blog. It was time to get our own page.
Now we are current …….
Frustrated with little new information and whole lot of new questions I turned to Google!! Wednesday February 6th I put the name Nirschl in the search to find a name that matched something I had.
Bingo!!! First call was a winner! He said his older sister would probably know more and gave me her number.
I made a call to my new friend, I will call her Mary. Oh my what a gold mine!! Their father Charles Nirschl , was Theresia (Nirschl) Jacobs younger brother. Their Mother is still alive at age 92 with memories to share. Bingo! Bingo!
Thursday night Mary called left me the name of the son of her Uncle Albert. On Friday I gave him a call. Bingo! Bingo! BINGO!!! He had so many bits and pieces that fit perfectly! Here are some of them:
· Still don’t know where Johan Nirschl is buried.
· Trace, as Johan (John) called his wife Theresa, is buried in Nichols Cemetery that we missed while visiting Zenda, Kansas.
· He has a photo of John Nirschl and a family bible belonging to this father Albert.
· Had been contacted a few years back by a Kathy Nirschl that has done a family tree he will send me. (no clue of who she is)
· His father Albert and Theresia were ½ siblings!
Here is one of the very few building in Willowdale, KS. St. Peter Catholic Church.
Is the man in this photo ....
the same as the man in this photo (to the right with an X above his head)?
Don't think so. That means someone told me wrong.
The big question is............where in Kansas is John (Johann) Nirschl buried???
I give myself till the end of the month to find him.
He died sometime between the 1920 census and 1930 census. The upper photo says 1927... hum....
Somewhere around Medicine Lodge, Kingman, Zenda or Willowdale, Kansas.....
John where are you??????????
Welcome and enjoy the ride.............................
All it took was a family funeral mid January out in the country to get things rolling!!
It's wrong the only time you see the cousins is at funerals. We are going to try to change that. Possible reunion in the next year! BIG group. Right now I have 996 in the tree and that doesn't have many of the living people included!!
After the funeral service, my brother in law and wife went to the farm house with some of the older cousins and borrowed some old pictures!!! The trip begins.....
Jacob and Gertrude Jacobs Family circa 1902
back row l to r -- Magdalena (Lena), Joseph, Katie, Henry
middle row -- Jacob, Marie Ann, Gertrude, John
in front -- George
(child #6, Mary died 1887 at age one)
This would be my husbands generations great grand parents family.
Feel like we struck gold!! I knew there were pictures, but didn't know who had them!
So far on this one is the oldest for this family... 1884 wedding photo. Love this old stuff!!
Jacob and Gertrude (Wambach) Jacobs wedding photo
3 Feb 1884 Chicago IL